In
this month's AUSXIP Interview Writers Series we are interviewing
Penny Cavanaugh, an up-and-coming
filmmaker and writer whose second movie, Star Cross'd Jammers,
is just about to be released. We
find out more about the process of bringing her creation to
life, a little of her background and further writing endeavours!
Sit back and enjoy this wonderful interview with the
extraordinarily talented young writer, producer and director.
1. Tell
us a little about yourself and your background. What drives you?
I
was born in Lincolnshire, England, and moved to Australia
with my parents and little sister when I was two years old.
I grew up in Canberra, with a brief stint in Sydney at the
bottom of the Blue Mountains where my sister and I would
explore the bush at the end of our street. I was always
telling stories. My first written story was about some
veggies that were eaten by a girl, but they wanted to make
it back to the kitchen to be with all of their friends, so
the kitchen utensils launched a rescue mission that was
headed by the knives, who cut them out of the girls’ belly.
Looking back, it was a pretty macabre story… a little girl
being stabbed by lots of flying knives. I read a LOT when I
was little, thanks to my parents, who bought my sister and
me a lot of books. My favorite authors as a child were Roald
Dahl, Enid Blyton, L M Montgomery, and Ann M. Martin.
What drives me? There’s no one specific
thing that drives me. I am inspired by all sorts of
different things depending on my mood and my surroundings. I
can’t stand exercising, but I can watch the Cross Fit games
and I’ll be working out for the next two weeks. It drives my
poor wife crazy but she’s learning to realize that if
something makes me feel empowered, then I will embrace it
fully. That’s how I got into stunt doubling, started a
degree in teaching, got my black belt, and took up muay thai
(I was convinced I was going to train hard and beat Gina
Carrano!). Hell, it’s how I got into Roller Derby in the
first place! I watched Whip It, bought a pair of roller
skates the next day, and the rest is history!
I’m not sure where it all stems from but I’ll hazard a guess
that it definitely has something to do with my parents, who
have told me that I can do anything I want to do, and be
anything I want to be. I’ve never been pressured to “get a
real job.” Instead I’ve been taught that if I follow my
dreams with conviction then I can make that a “real job.” I
remember when we were little, I wanted to be a doctor, and
my sister wanted to be the lunch lady who delivered tiny
teddies to the people at my dad’s work. They told us to go
for it! Eventually my sister adjusted her dream job to being
the Queen of England, and my parents were equally as
supportive.
I was raised without limiting decisions. Mum and Dad never
told me I couldn’t do something; they just encouraged me to
consider HOW I could go about achieving what it was that I
wanted to achieve.
I’m very aware that we only have one life, and growing up I
watched my parents tackle different career paths and succeed
wildly, so I’ve never thought it was strange to go wherever
the wind takes me. I’ve definitely done that so far, and
I’ll continue to do it for as long as it makes me happy. I
hope that answers the question… What drives me? Life. Life
drives me.
2. "A
modern day sport entwined with a classic Shakespearian tale with
a romantic lesbian twist." This is how you've described Star
Cross'd Jammers. When and how did you get the idea for such a
phenomenal plot?
It was 2010 and I wanted to make another
movie after having so much fun and success with Lightswitch.
I was just getting into Roller Derby – actually I was in the
height of my passion, and so it made sense that the next
movie would be about derby. Originally it was going to be a
short film, and in the first draft it was a lot more similar
to Shakespeare’s play – both jammers ended up dead! The
first thing that changed was when a film making friend of
mine, Warren Coulton, who basically paved my path in the
stunt world, said, “Why a short? Why not make it a feature?”
And that was all it took to convince me. I got in touch with
Michaela Upton, who I met at the Xena: Warrior Princess
convention in 2007, and sent her the short script, and asked
if she would be interested in developing it into a feature
with me. She was very excited and so we talked a bit about
what it was currently and what we wanted it to be. We made
the ending a little happier – I decided that there was too
much doom and gloom in the world, let alone in our
entertainment, so it really just flowed naturally.
3. You
wrote the script for Star Cross'd Jammers with Michaela Upton,
and Natalie Krikowa co-wrote Lightswitch, your debut as a
filmmaker back in 2009. What are the advantages, and the
difficulties, of working with other writers?
I
can’t speak for others, but I honestly did not come up
against any difficulties at all when working with other
writers. I think that it comes down to choosing the right
people to work with, and both Natalie and Michaela were very
great friends of mine so writing with them was like writing
with an extension of myself. No ideas were ever blocked;
they were all considered and either expanded upon or we
mutually agreed that they weren’t working. With Natalie, we
worked together in the same room for the first draft, and
then we would just send it back and forth for tweaks and
final polishing off. With Michaela, we were working from
opposite sides of the world. I sent her the first draft and
a massive long email about areas that I either wasn’t happy
with or felt could be better. Michaela was really the
driving force behind the storyline of the – ooh, I can’t
tell you or it will give it away… Watch the movie and then
email me and ask me!! I would write during the day in
Australia and then send it to Michaela as the sun was rising
in England. She would write while I slept and when I woke up
there would be an email in my inbox with her edits. It
worked seamlessly like that for the entire script writing
process. Aside from just having someone to bounce ideas off,
the other big advantage of writing with a partner is that
the process isn’t so lonely, and you know right away whether
an idea is going to work or if it’s just a terrible idea
that should never see the light of day!
4. What
kind of routines do you tend to keep around writing or
filmmaking, or do you even have one? How does a typical day look
like when you are in full swing creative mode?
All my routines begin with the same thing
--Food. If I don’t have food in my belly, I can’t
concentrate, let alone be around people! A typical day when
I am in full creative mode is to have breakfast and a giant
cup of tea or coffee (depending on what is for breakfast and
what I’m craving, of course!). Generally, if I know I’ll be
writing for hours and hours then I’ll have coffee, because
it means I won’t have to stop for lunch. I read that some
writers use computers without the internet, and that’s
definitely how I started writing the first draft of my
novel, but I’ve found the internet comes in handy when I
need to quickly research something. I do try and stay away
from social media when I’m feeling particularly inspired
though.
5. What
challenges did you have to face to bring Star Cross'd Jammers to
life?
Oh,
gosh, where to begin? No initial budget, teaching actresses
how to roller skate, finding locations that would suit the
script, getting enough extras for the crowds… that was one
of the worst parts! We put the call out for extras for the
tournament scenes, and about twenty people showed up. We
squished them in at different angles, moved them around to
sit next to different people, changed their shirts, gave
them different signs… anything and everything to make it
look like we had more people. The three tournament days on
set were definitely the most challenging. We had to juggle
over eighty cast and crew, costumes and wheels for over
forty skaters and actresses, and my poor parents were tasked
with feeding them all!
Post production was where the real
challenges came in. During the editing process the rules of
roller derby changed and so we had to go through the film
and remove things like minor penalties and double whistles
for the jammer. We also filmed at a location right next to a
train station and a main road, so even if we waited for the
trains to pass, there was still noise from the cars.
Hindsight is 50/50, and looking back, we just should have
found a different location, but when you’re an independent
production and someone offers you a set for free (and it
really was the perfect location despite the noise), you take
it! We wouldn’t have had time to find a new location and we
certainly didn’t have any money to pay for one. So that was
tough trying to fix in post production too. Rob did a great
job in cleaning up the dialogue.
6. Some
directors claim that working within tight restrictions, such as
a low budget or limited time, makes them be more creative. How
does this apply to your film making experiences?
Well, it certainly helped me lose weight!
Seriously though, it did test our ability to ‘look outside
the box’ and come up with alternative solutions to the way
the Hollywood folk do things.
7. How
does Star Cross'd Jammers compare to your previous work? How
does it feel different?
Star Cross’d Jammers was a much bigger
scale production than
Lightswitch. Lightswitch was a very tightly run set,
with only two actresses. Star Cross’d Jammers had seven
actresses who had to learn how to skate and get to know
their ‘team members,’ who were real roller derby girls. The
schedule was tighter, the locations were bigger, and the
script was much longer. I didn’t direct Lightswitch either,
so I didn’t have as much of a say on shots, so that is
definitely one of the biggest differences. When I write, I
always see a clear image in my mind, so then handing that
over to someone else to create on a screen means the end
product isn’t always exactly what was in your mind
originally. With Star Cross’d Jammers, I had the opportunity
to transfer my vision from my mind to the page, and then to
the screen. That was very cool.
8. You wrote,
produced, and directed Star Cross'd Jammers. Which job was the
most challenging? Where do you feel most comfortable? Any plans
for acting in the future?
Producing was definitely the most
challenging because you have to put away that creative part
of your brain and focus on logistics. I feel most
comfortable writing because it’s very natural to me. I’m not
sure I could do all three again, but I probably will one day
because I just can’t turn down a challenge. If I’m
passionate enough about it, I won’t even see the obstacles
so long as I focus hard enough on the end result. Neither
Michaela nor I had any experience directing at all though,
so maybe next time I’ll bring on an experienced director and
just work with them for more experience. I’m definitely all
for learning!
Any plans for acting? Originally I had
considered playing Scabrielle actually, but I didn’t want to
ruin the film by being on the wrong end of the camera! I’m
not sure I’ve got what it takes to be an actress, but I
don’t think I would rule it out completely. I have been
offered a role in a project slated for shooting in Los
Angeles early next year, which I’m really excited about, but
I’m fairly certain there’s no dialogue so that takes away
some pressure. I’ll never say definitely not, but it’s not
something I will be actively pursuing any time soon.
9. What is the
best piece of advice you’ve heard? On filmmaking, and on life.
On filmmaking, “plan everything and then
expect to throw it all out the window.” Boy, did that turn
out to be the truth!
On life, probably “Do something scary;
the payoff is awesome.” I’ve taken this advice on more than
one occasion and have never been let down! I was also told
in high school that “the only person worth being in this
world is yourself.” And that has always kept me true to
myself, my values, and my dreams.
10. What
other films and filmmakers are important for your work, or
simply your life outside of your work? What influences have
shaped you?
My favorite movie of all time is A League
of Their Own. I’ve loved it since I was a little girl, when
I used to watch it at least once a day, much to the chagrin
of my poor parents. Penny Marshall is brilliant, not just
because of her first name, but because of the way she tells
her stories. I really love her. I also adore Katherine
Fugate, because of the way she develops her characters, and
she has been a significant influence in my writing.
I grew up watching Xena: Warrior Princess
and that show was most definitely important to me. Not just
because of the impact the shows values had on me as a
person, but because of the people I have met who share the
same love for the show. It’s not even about the show any
more… The ripples on the pond stopped long ago but the stone
is still at the bottom of the river, and it always will be…
forever changed. I met my wife at a Xena convention, and we
got married at a Xena convention.
I would also be remiss if I didn’t
mention “The Go Giver” here. Written by Bob Burg and John
David Mann, that book has inspired me beyond belief. Look it
up, and check it out. DO IT.
The birth of my nephews has completely
changed my life. I see the world in a whole new light thanks
to those three amazing little men, and I’ve already noticed
that it has impacted the way I write. I’m actually
developing a new project because of them.
My biggest influence is inspiration. I
want to be inspired, and I want to inspire. Telling stories
is the best way to do that.
11. There
are obvious references to Romeo and Juliet throughout the movie.
What other references can we find? As in the names of many of
the characters?
Well now, that would be giving it away,
wouldn’t it? There are plenty of little Easter eggs in there
for all sorts of different communities and fandoms. If you
recognize it and it gives you a giggle, then you win! Some
of the more personal references though would be the Cannon
skater “St Scare, #2003” – I went to St Clare’s College in
Canberra and I graduated in 2003. The name of the doctor in
the film is Dr. Caldwell, after my seventh grade homeroom
teacher. Another one that is a little more specific is that
Scabrielle’s number, 14, was picked because the Rocky
Mountain Roller Girls were the fourteenth league to be
accepted into the WFTDA. Not too many people would know
that.
12. Why did
you decide to set the story within the context of roller derby?
Do we need to be familiar with the sport?
I was very passionate about roller derby
at the time so it made sense that I would want to write
about the sport. I think that being familiar with the sport
will give you a whole new level of enjoyment of the film,
but you definitely don’t need to know anything about the
game in order to enjoy the love story between the two. I
think that roller derby is just the placeholder for anything
that you are passionate about. When you put your
relationship up against your passion, which one do you put
first? It rings true even with something you aren’t
necessarily passionate about – like if you have a high
demanding job that requires long hours of work. There comes
a time that you need to decide what you will put first. How
many dinners or family weekends will you miss because you
have to stay back at work? I definitely think you can relate
to the film even if you don’t have a clue about roller
derby.
13. Roller derby
is a highly competitive, athletic sport. Was it hard for the
actors to learn how to navigate the track?
I think they were amazing! They put in a
lot of hours of on skates training before we let them
anywhere near a roller derby scrimmage, and even then their
very first scrimmage was in socks! The Bruised Peaches and
the Terrible Muriels were made up of all derby girls, so
some jams were purely derby girls. That said, some of the
actresses were begging us to put them into the derby girl
scrimmages. Samantha Jane Faircloth (Regina Phalange
Crusher) is an ex-figure skater so she really fit in
perfectly – she even jumped the apex at one point (the
roller derby equivalent of a slam dunk in basketball!)
14. Do
you play favorites? Is there a character with whom you identify
best? What makes them special?
I’m reluctant to say Scabrielle, because
she is an intensified version of certain aspects of my
passion for roller derby, but I did take a lot of my
obsessive tendencies and inject them into her character. I
don’t think I identify with any of the characters
specifically, but there’s probably a little bit of me in
each one of them. I do have a favorite character, but that’s
my little secret. It’s not one of the main characters
either!
15. The
music score is outstanding. Are we going to see the soundtrack
on CD?
Thank you! Roberto Merlini was the
driving force behind it. I’m so proud of the soundtrack, and
very grateful that we had such talented musicians who were
generous enough to let us use their music. A soundtrack is
definitely in the works down the line, but right now we are
focusing on film distribution. The most important song in
the film to me is “All that I am,” written by my dad,
Michael Glasswell. He wrote another song, but we just didn’t
have enough time to get it in the final cut and I would like
to put that on the soundtrack too.
16. Why should
we watch Star Cross'd Jammers? What can we expect from it?
You should watch it because I said you
should! I’m also going to jump off a bridge later and I
welcome you to join me! No, really though, it’s a sweet
little love story that was made with a lot of heart. Don’t
expect a Spielberg epic, because I’m not there (yet). Stick
with me from the beginning and you can be one of the ones
that said, “Hey, I bought her first ever feature film!”
17. Star Cross'd
Jammers is going to be released on August 1. You’ve been
promoting it at the Roller Con in Las Vegas recently. How did it
go?
Roller Con was a LOT of fun. Five days of
roller derby, and I was very excited to discover that
everyone I talked to about the film already knew about it!
(NOTE: The release date has been updated to early August,
due to delays in the DVD production process).
18. What
are you working on at the moment? Can you tell us something
about your future projects?
I have a few different projects that I am
working on. One is a compilation of short stories that will
be sold as a novel called #ImGay, which shares the coming
out stories of women of all ages around the world. I’m
really excited about it because it gives many different
perspectives and consequences from those same two words… I
think people will really enjoy the stories we are sharing
and the phenomenal women who are telling them.
I’m also working on an historic novel
called ”Bucket Full of Stars” which I’ve been working on for
a long time but only now have found the time to focus on it
properly. I’m really in love with the story and I’m itching
to get it out there. I get new ideas often, and I write them
down and file them away in my “Imagination box” (as the
folder on my computer is called). I don’t anticipate slowing
down creatively any time soon, so I guess, watch this
space!!
19. How
can we know more about you and your work?
For information and updates on Star
Cross’d Jammers you can visit www.starXJammers.com and
head over to Facebook and like the page:
facebook.com/starcrossdjammers
, and for updates on me and my work in general, my website
iswww.glasswellcavanaugh.com and
the Facebook page is
facebook.com/GlasswellCavanaugh – I look forward to
seeing you there!!
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Pre-Order Star Cross'd Jammers DVD (PAL or
NTSC)
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Run Time: 86 Mins
Format: Regionless DVD - PAL and NTSC
Language: English
SPECIAL FEATURES
- Director's commentary
- Behind the Scenes blooper Reel
- 'All the Juicy Bits' featurette
- Full length "All that I am" music video
SYNOPSIS: The
excitement of falling in love is a feeling unlike
anything else, but Scabrielle and Nobody have to
deal with more than just flowers and first date
nerves. As star jammers of opposing roller derby
teams that bitterly despise one another, their love
parallels the very game they play, and they struggle
to hide their relationship and overcome obstacles,
including a callous captain who will stop at nothing
to win the ‘Battle for Verona’. Forged in the heat
of battle, the fate of their romance is left to the
mercy of tough decisions...Will Scabrielle’s fiery
passion to win leave Nobody with nothing but the
ashes of love? What are they really fighting for…
Love? Or the game?